Interview: Ben Cohen - Time to
Brive
By Colin Spiro, 12 December 2008
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Ben Cohen: French connection
© Diarmid Courreges |
Ben
Cohen talks to FRC about his move to Brive and how having
twins has changed his perspective on life.
"I genuinely do think that French rugby is
behind – not necessarily on the pitch, because they can go
and beat anyone of their given day – but I think behind the
scenes they are" - Ben Cohen
England World Cup winner Ben Cohen says he
has no regrets about joining French Top 14 side Brive, where
he is currently plying his trade with fellow Brits Andy
Goode, Steve Thompson and Barry Davies.
The
30-year-old winger would love to still be playing for his
country but is resigned to life on the international hard
shoulder after deciding to up sticks and move to France in
2007.
Up
until then Cohen had been a one-team man, racing in for more
than 100 tries for his beloved Northampton Saints before the
relationship broke down when he was overlooked for the
captaincy.
A
brief break from the game was followed by his transfer to
Top 14 side Brive - or
Club
Athlétique Brive Corrèze Limousin to give it its full name
- with whom he is now enjoying his second season as they
fight for Heineken Cup qualification.
“I
would have liked it to end better at Northampton but things
happen, and happen for a reason. But we parted on good
terms,” he reflected.
So,
how did England’s second highest try scorer then end up
playing for Brive - a town with less than 100,000 people and
twinned with sleepy Dunstable. The former European Champions
are not exactly a glamour club, having fallen back into the
pack since making consecutive Heineken Cup finals in 1997
and 1998, although they are now beginning to make proper
strides towards becoming a Top 14 force once again.
“I
had a lot of offers – a lot from England and a couple from
France – but I’m not a person who stands by my trophy
cabinet and says ‘Look at what I’ve won’. I like to try and
go somewhere and make a difference, and I’d like to think
I’ve come to Brive and made a difference, trying to help
them awake the sleeping giant.
“Brive is a similar club to Northampton and I think that was
partly why it attracted me to it. And obviously one of my
friends – Steve Thompson – was also here, which always
helps,” recalled 57-cap international.
By a
twist of fate they are now in a highly select band that have
played for the only two clubs in Europe to have won the
Heineken Cup but not yet their own domestic league.
‘Les
Correziens’ are ambitious to rekindle their former successes
and embarked on an aggressive recruitment policy over the
past two years, under the coaching stewardship of Laurent
Seigne and Ugo Mola. Cohen is just one of a host of
internationals brought in from around the globe, backing the
club’s stated ambition to become a regular top six side.
“That’s really what turned me on – the fact they people
really do genuinely want to go out and make a difference,”
admitted the former England star. “And they’ve done that. I
would say that compared to last year [under then coach
Olivier Magne] it’s like having gone from Nationwide League
six to the Premiership. They are totally different from last
year, worlds apart, and a lot of hard work has gone on
behind the scenes.”
Part
of that restructuring has been the laying of truly
professional foundations – such as the recruitment of former
Saints conditioner Tim Exeter and the building of a new gym
– and Cohen believes that is one area where French clubs
could learn from their English counterparts.
“I
genuinely do think that French rugby is behind – not
necessarily on the pitch, because they can go and beat
anyone of their given day – but I think behind the scenes
they are. Not necessarily internationally, but at club level
they are. I think that English rugby and the Premiership
could learn from some of the things they [French clubs] do,
but in general they are behind with the infrastructure,” he
said candidly, before adding: “But I have to say that Brive
are really closing the gap behind the scenes and once that
builds up momentum we will start doing some serious damage,
which is what we want to do.”
Brive’s on-pitch results
have steadily improved this season after a torrid start to
the campaign, which saw them play six of their first nine
games on the road – “a hell of a difficult start,” according
to Cohen. In recent times they have won four of their last
seven league games, and only narrowly missed out on pulling
off a huge shock when they narrowly lost away to French
giants Stade Toulouse.
Last
week’s 22-9 away win at Montpellier lifted them to sixth,
with former Leicester Tigers fly-half Andy Goode again in
commanding form as he kicked 17 points to become the
league’s highest scorer.
Cohen, who is disarmingly honest for a modern sportsman,
admits that Goode’s arrival has “made a massive difference”
to Brive, but also knows that the club’s future lies in
recruiting and nurturing French talent as much as overseas
stars.
“I
think it’s really important that we attract French players.
I know it’s hard – I’ve been at Northampton and know what
it’s like when you want to attract internationals or
aspiring internationals when you’re in the mix down the
bottom of the table for a few years. People don’t really
want to come to that club, but Brive has changed and is
looking to change the mould, so to speak. There is countless
work going on behind the scenes.”
There’s also countless work going on chez Cohen, with the
photogenic winger trying to get to grips with a new
language, a new culture, a new playing style and the added
distraction of 14-month-old twin daughters. The hectic
nature of his new life means the French lessons have had a
limited impact – although Brive are now offering its French
players English lessons in an intriguing twist – but Cohen
does at least feel more at home with life on the pitch.
“The
French look at rugby in a different way and that has taken a
bit of getting used,” he admitted. “In England and the
southern hemisphere they play a very structured game – and
don’t get me wrong, you need structure in a game – but the
French generally have little structure and play what’s in
front of them. I’m not saying that England don’t do that, or
the southern hemisphere, but the French probably
over-emphasise that and do it a lot more.
“For
someone like myself who’s been in that [structure] system
all of my career, to come over and be involved in something
like that takes a little bit of getting used to, but I am
getting used to it and I’m enjoying it,” he stressed.
“I
think that Ugo [Mola] is a good coach and he’s got some
fantastic skills in the drills department, and I’m enjoying
being challenged. That’s what I play rugby for.”
Brive’s British influx is also helping to shape the club’s
new mentality, with the traditional French acceptance of
away defeats slowly becoming a thing of the past. Their
21-15 defeat at Toulouse highlighted the progress, and was
further underlined by their win at Montpellier.
“We
are trying to break the mould in the fact that the French
don’t travel well, and I think we’re changing that very well
at Brive. We’re going away and nearly getting results now,
and that will change. Those nearly results will become
closer, or just wins, and when that starts happening the
tide will change,” he reasoned.
Off
the pitch Cohen is happily settled with his family in a
rented house on the outskirts of Brive and said he’s
delighted by his new surrounds. “I have to say it’s a
fantastic country,” he mused, before adding. “I didn’t
realise how big it was until I drove across it.”
The
twins take up much of his off-field energy, and he’s even
traded in the motorbikes for a nice sensible Renault Espace.
But don’t get the idea the fire doesn’t still rage. Just ask
him about England – that’s Johnno’s mob, not the village
green.
“I
still want to play for England,” he insists. “I’m playing
well, which is good, but I don’t know...” he adds as his
voice trails off.
Cohen
knows there’s a new generation being blooded, and that
playing in France means he’s off the radar as far as the
selectors are concerned. He accepts his chances of a recall
are slim - “It’s just one of those things”, he says – but
perhaps there’s security in the knowledge that the lad who
didn’t even play rugby at school went on to win a World Cup
and scored 31 tries in 57 caps for his country, second only
to Rory Underwood.
He may not
believe in basking in his past glories, but no-one can ever
take them away. ‘Big’ Ben only needs to look at his uncle
George [Cohen, who won the football World Cup in 1966] to
understand that.
Once a
World Cup winner, forever a national treasure.
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